Well, you are half correct. All twelve forest objects were set to custom edit, which i did not do. What this means is that when you save a file, that has forest objects in it, out to a new file, it locks all the forest objects up to custom edit mode. Unchecking that mode means i lose all settings, like surfaces it should be attahced to, splines that define the area, etc. This is a problem. How do i get around this? I don't really want to have to go in and redo everything each time i save a file out as a new file.